Ron Using the toolbar to create a link works when I am using Internet Explorer but (for me at least) does not work when I am using Firefox. So if I intend to put a link in a posting I need to use IE to login to the website and create the post.
David
Sorry, I did not see your post until now. I use a word document for making notes for wiki, so it is handy for checking and making links to be posted.
What I do is:
Copy and paste the url onto the word document;
Make sure the curser is at the end of the url and press the spacebar, that should make the url live;
Hover the curser over the live url and right click; a short menu will appear;
Click on 'Edit hyperlink', a dialogue box will open;
At the top of the dialogue box you will see the url and to the left 'Text to Display';
Delete the url and type the text you would like to display.
Sounds a bit complicated but it's not once you have done it!
There are European Court decisions in which appeals against civil recovery were lost on the basis that these were not criminal proceedings and therefore the protections in relation to criminal proceedings did not operate.
Part of the argument was that no penalty was involved - the proceedings simply took off the subject assets which he ought not have had in the first place.
There are European Court decisions in which appeals against civil recovery were lost on the basis that these were not criminal proceedings and therefore the protections in relation to criminal proceedings did not operate.
Part of the argument was that no penalty was involved - the proceedings simply took off the subject assets which he ought not have had in the first place.
I see a distinction, albeit perhaps of not much importance between WALSH and cash forfeiture; that being that WALSH had a substantial criminal record and was found by the Judge to have a Criminal Lifestyle; so I suppose it could be argued that the civil recovery order against him could be viewed as part of the sentencing for his previous crimes; whereas many people subjected to cash forfeitures have not been found to have a criminal lifestyle and have no criminal convictions?
In order to obtain forfeiture of cash the Crown (perhaps I should say 'the applicant') must satisfy the court, on the balance of probabilities, that the cash is 'recoverable property' (as defined).
Similarly the court must be satisfied that an asset is 'recoverable property' before making an order for civil recovery of that asset.
However the actual procedures in court in these two circumstances are different.
Clearly if cash / property is in the possession of someone who has a criminal record of acquisitive crime that will be a factor which the court may take into account.
But it would be wrong to view the forfeiture / civil recovery which results in a loss of cash / assets for the defendant to be part of the sentencing for his past crimes. Indeed I think if Mr Walsh could have persuaded the European Court to view it in that way he would have won his case (on the basis that he would then be eligible for the protections afforded to an individual being dealt with for a criminal offence).
I am sure there will have been civil recovery /cash forfeiture proceedings taken in cases where the individual concerned has no criminal convictions whatsoever, but it is nevertheless contended that the assets or cash in question are recoverable property.
David
Edited by David Winch on 11 February 2010 at 02:29
In order to obtain forfeiture of cash the Crown (perhaps I should say 'the applicant') must satisfy the court, on the balance of probabilities, that the cash is 'recoverable property' (as defined).
Similarly the court must be satisfied that an asset is 'recoverable property' before making an order for civil recovery of that asset.
However the actual procedures in court in these two circumstances are different.
Clearly if cash / property is in the possession of someone who has a criminal record of acquisitive crime that will be a factor which the court may take into account.
But it would be wrong to view the forfeiture / civil recovery which results in a loss of cash / assets for the defendant to be part of the sentencing for his past crimes. Indeed I think if Mr Walsh could have persuaded the European Court to view it in that way he would have won his case (on the basis that he would then be eligible for the protections afforded to an individual being dealt with for a criminal offence).
Agreed: that was not a well thought out contention even though it is not far away from the reality of the position of such a defendant because that is essentially what the law is saying to him: 'you have acquired this from criminal conduct so we are going to take it from you'.
I am sure there will have been civil recovery /cash forfeiture proceedings taken in cases where the individual concerned has no criminal convictions whatsoever, but it is nevertheless contended that the assets or cash in question are recoverable property.
David
What is your view about the applicant in a cash forfeiture case having to prove that the cash sought to be forfeited is the product of criminal conduct of a kind or kinds as is required under part 5 of PoCA? It occurs to me that that must be so and a defendant to such an application would be bound to succeed if the applicant was unable to establish what seems to me to be an essential element of such a claim without the defendant having to say anything about where the cash came from. There are exceptions to that general rule where the evidence is overwhelming that the cash is either the product of criminal conduct or is going to be used to facilitate criminal conduct such as cases like R v F where people are arrested at airports with huge sums of cash and are clearly intending to take it out of the country.
As I understand the position: an appeal lies to the Crown Court in the form of a rehearing from a decision of a Magistrates Court to forfeit cash? Does an appeal lie to any of the appellate courts from a decision of the Crown Court to uphold a forfeiture order made by a Magistrates Court?
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